DeFi’s Value Proposition | Robert Leshner & Hasu | S9 E2

Listen to this episode from Bell Curve on Spotify. In this episode, we’re joined by Robert Leshner, CEO of Superstate, and Hasu to explore the next phase of DeFi! They discuss the trend of vertical integration in DeFi, the influx of institutional users, and stablecoin designs. Finally, they close out the episode with their thoughts on the true value proposition of DeFi. Thanks for tuning in! -- Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe. Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00. -- Citrea is the first zero-knowledge rollup to enhance the capabilities of Bitcoin blockspace and enable Bitcoin applications (₿apps). Citrea is optimistically verified by Bitcoin, offering the most Bitcoin-secured and native way to extend BTC’s utility to DeFi.  Learn more about Citrea: https://citrea.xyz/?utm_source=bellcurve&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=website_promo  Follow Citrea on X/Twitter for the latest on its journey to mainnet: https://x.com/citrea_xyz -- Missed DAS? Join us from June 24th-June 26th at Permissionless IV! Use Code BELL10 at checkout for 10% off! Tickets: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iv -- Follow Robert: https://x.com/rleshner Follow Hasu: https://x.com/hasufl Follow MonetSupply: https://x.com/MonetSupply Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ Join the Bell Curve Telegram group: https://t.me/+nzyxAvQ0Xxc3YTEx -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (4:04) New Design Philosophies in DeFi (15:25) Ledger Ad (15:43) The Vertical Integration Trend (22:55) Expanding Protocol Services (30:40) Ledger Ad (31:15) Neutrality Challenges With Vertical Integration (36:10) RWA & Stablecoin Growth Going Forward (52:00) Citrea Ad (52:29) New Stablecoin Designs (56:32) What Assets Will Be Tokenized? (1:03:19) The Value Proposition of DeFi (1:13:55) Outro -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.